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Post by Westie on Oct 24, 2024 13:12:36 GMT
I must admit to liking decent sound from my tv. The thinner they get, the harder it is for them to sound decent. I’d be interested in knowing if you use anything extra for sound. I’ve thought about a MuSo and might get one someday. For now, I’m perfectly happy with the following.
Downstairs I use a Breeze Audio T Amp and a pair or Q Acoustics 3010 in white.
Upstairs I use another Breeze Audio T amp and that pair of Minstrels I rebuilt and re-veneered in white oak. I do have a pair of Q Acoustics 2010 in white too, if I fancy a change-around.
Those Breeze Audio amps are fab little things and reliable too. They take up zero space and they stay on 24/7. Probably the best bargain in audio that I’ve ever had, and definitely good enough to use in a main system. Likewise the 2010 and 3010 from Q Acoustics. Better made than many British speakers I’ve owned and paid significant money for.
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Post by Idiot! on Oct 24, 2024 13:46:37 GMT
Something ive thought long & hard about cos the sound from this Sammy TV drives me mad, Sound bars just seem to be very expensive for what they are, most are as expensive as the TV itself. I have one or two im looking into that dont break the bank. However the amount of new TV reviews i read someone somewhere always says the sound is bad.
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Post by dsjr on Oct 25, 2024 9:04:03 GMT
T Amp and Minstrels NOT sounding thin toned???  First thing if you want vintage - get a Quad 77 integrated amp while they're still cheap and semi-sleeping. It's a proper AB amp (no current dumpings or triples in this one), yet showed me how musical and sweet toned a properly designed AB amp can sound (no lean toned cardboard caricatures as in a Cyrus 1 for example, which itself should beat any now obsolete T amp out there) We changed our main telly a few years back for an early 'smart' TV (now to be less smart as of next week as iPlayer will no longer work on it due to new log-in requirements, solved with a Chromecast TV add-on). It came with a 'sound base,' a smallish slab of the thing the TV sits on, two 'bass' drivers facing down and two 'tweeters' on the front. This was right at the time my ears had gone completely off and the muffled tone was terrible, although speech diction is actually good. The telly speakers are bypassed when this thing is connected (HDMI-ARC). With the aids, all the top comes back and the other two here never had an issue. This soundbase can be used on its own as well with analogue aux and optical digital input, but I've never used it as such. There's some bass to it which doesn't boom, although it's not as pronounced with the wooden cabinet it sits on. The glass TV rack it was on before, allowed a punchier bass tone I remember. I tried to take the optical digital output to the dac on the main rig, but there's a sync delay, so not as successful. Herself refuses point blank to use the main rig as well, which I find troubling, but that's another issue... |
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Post by Westie on Oct 25, 2024 11:52:58 GMT
You make a good point about what the TV and soundbar sit on. It’s always been a bit of a concern if I bought a Mu-So. Wooden TV units will always be an issue, I feel. I did have a TA2021 T amp that WAS thin-sounding with speakers, but this Breeze Audio is quite the opposite. It saw off a Claymore in a comparative demo, which amazed me. I’ve used it in my main system and you’d never know it’s a T Amp. The great thing is that it’s so tiny, it’s just like having a telly and speakers. This looks to be the same as my two: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253653235433?I will seek out a Quad 77 just for fun, thanks. You know me well enough now to know it will either be cheap, in need of some TLC or both. I need to get back to the Cyrus amps refurb soon, I’ve been so busy on the DIY, I’ve just had no time. I still have a few tasks, but I can still find time to tinker. |
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Post by Southall on Oct 25, 2024 12:10:01 GMT
Might give that Breeze 3116 a go. Westie, can you link where to buy the correct power supply.
By any chance, no customs charge when that 3116 arrives in UK?
Thank you.
S.
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Post by Westie on Oct 25, 2024 13:41:40 GMT
Might give that Breeze 3116 a go. Westie, can you link where to buy the correct power supply. By any chance, no customs charge when that 3116 arrives in UK? Thank you. S. I didn’t get charged any duties. You can really use any laptop-type power supply. I’ve used 18v and 19v ones. Something like this would be handy as you can use it with other stuff. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166867687675? |
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Post by Westie on Oct 25, 2024 13:44:31 GMT
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Post by Idiot! on Oct 25, 2024 14:10:16 GMT
Im gonna have to go with soundbar when we move because of space restrictions, You can mount them on the wall bracket for the TV now
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Post by Westie on Oct 25, 2024 18:03:26 GMT
I didn’t know that. It should be better isolated than sat on a wood unit.
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Post by Idiot! on Oct 25, 2024 19:50:39 GMT
I didn’t know that. It should be better isolated than sat on a wood unit. You can get different types where the bar sits on or if allows to be bolted onto the bracket |
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Post by Westie on Oct 25, 2024 20:46:05 GMT
That doesn’t look bad at all. Never seen that before so thanks for sharing.
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Post by dsjr on Oct 26, 2024 8:49:04 GMT
Here's me thinking this was bargain-bucket for an amp (tested quite well also and seems reliable enough) www.amazon.co.uk/AIYIMA-A07-TPA3255-Amplifier-Amplifiers/dp/B08CJZGT6H/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NmM9rWAWYT1k0gMV2gRbsd_WLXRIn0NJIb9_xoHNtNW-PzsDI-S173jGLX9dg6z7cKK90BqPu7C_ce_HbTlt8mCEnDZDfn7Zb67-dL5Ag9HRE64-RFPYSiC9FKr3V9xdLLGpslKN1lcgdERiF_Sd06m5TDbqjOiqZ8UADBoidNT4SH6BR6VI7-q8lomaki2NQ3w6f-n8WoobG8g7cLwV5r0qIiGJnoKluYZKwP_F_4o.s6kmV1yKWJcLDrc-D9PEF_LE2lCAmKu2dvScJdKs0tw&dib_tag=se&nsdOptOutParam=true...and you lot are talking about a box for twenty five quid, which may be 8WPC at moderate distortion and 50W at 10% or more, as the old T amps were specced at Fosi now do some pretty good amps if new product is the requirement and although the spectacular measurement improvements almost certainly won't be audible to any of us (especially as we're all over 50 now (well over in my case), I still think it's nice to know, when all our 70s and 80s favourites were marginal at the very best (I can't believe how awful a Creek 4040/4140 and NAD 3020 look today, when back then, 'good enough' was all that was required - those old Cyrus's had massive bass roll-off on the vinyl inpuits as did the Arcam Alpha I remember). Actually westie, as you've been able to restore that Cyrus One but lost the balance control, wouldn't that be better for TV duties? Just asking... Re: the Quad 77 (and also the Myryad MI-120 which is where A&R could have gone had the designer stayed). I found on albums such as 'Wildest Dreams' by Tina Turner, the *emotion* in her singing, came over so well compared to say, the Audiolab 8000S or AVI integrated we also sold, these latter being precise in the extreme and the AVI actually harsh when pushed (the separates AVIs weren't like this). |
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Post by Westie on Oct 26, 2024 9:49:02 GMT
I’ve never compared them but we reckon the T amp would easily see off the Cyrus One. I think the main thing though is the tiny footprint. You don’t know it’s there. You can also just leave it on 24/7. When I do finish the Cyrus One, I will compare them just for fun though  |
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Post by Idiot! on Oct 26, 2024 10:22:01 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Oct 26, 2024 10:44:12 GMT
I’ve never compared them but we reckon the T amp would easily see off the Cyrus One. I think the main thing though is the tiny footprint. You don’t know it’s there. You can also just leave it on 24/7. When I do finish the Cyrus One, I will compare them just for fun though Tiny footprint aside, not sure in practise a T amp could see of a Cyrus One, which is fine on th eline inputs at low volume levels. I tried a couple of the former amps and over whisper-quiet levels, the sound gets brighter and harder to the point it strips paint. Maybe into a boomy speaker, it'd work at low levels, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this and with respect as always. With e CD source though, ANYTHING much over 9 o'clock on a Cyrus One, or around 10 o'clock on a 2/PSX, involved a hardening of tone.
The Cyrus One on its line inputs, sounded fine at low volumes, but hardened quickly as the volume went up. It was suggested to me it actually rings a bit when pushed to clipping (Arcam Alpha 8, Marantz PM66SE KI Sig did this quite audibly too I remember), the opposite of a soft-clipping Nait mk1 for instance which simply compresses when pushed too hard.
Tell you something though, the presence of a moving picture to go with the sound, means we're so much more forgiving of what we hear, as I gather our brain's processing is 70/30% in favour of visual... Wer used to sell the Beovision 7000 telly with active speakers. SUPERB as a television, but switch the screen off and using just the speakers in one of their multi-room systems, the sound went small and thin toned, not so audible when the picture was on. B&O used to be class leading on the 'sound quality' of their tellies all through, I remember and I miss the ones we had.
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