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Post by classicrock on Jul 8, 2022 9:03:52 GMT
If Starmer gets a fixed penalty notice tomorrow or Monday, I will be convinced there is a conspiracy going on. Get rid of Boris, then de-stabilise the opposition, in order to bring in a more establishment-friendly Tory leader who is likely to try and renew his mandate by a snap election. Definitely a conspiracy in the Conservative party. Others planning a leadership campaign and looking for an excuse to remove Boris. Obviously some just wanted him to push through Brexit. The BBC blew up the partygate out of all proportion and have been fed information constantly by those wanting to remove Boris. It now occurs to me that parliament is just a toffs club that puts ungentlemanly conduct above policy making. Unlikely non of the main plotters will get elected as there are apparently still a lot of Boris loyalists. I will be amazed if they win the next election if the Labour party find a competent center ground leader. There are a lot of voters in red wall seats that voted Tory due to Boris and won't be happy about his departure. Sunak or Javid most certainly should not be PM or even in the next cabinet. This row has delayed tax cuts apparently. An immediate VAT cut is necessary to keep down the cost of living. I expect Sunak to get roasted by the media when his fine is raised as well as him maintaining American non dom status plus just being too bloody rich. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 10:14:46 GMT
I think the plan is already been made. However like you say Classic NO to Javid & Sunak. Out of the half a dozen candidates might be either Jeremy Hunt or Penny Mordaunt. I do find it wrong that the PM is not being replaced immediately.
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 10:36:58 GMT
People are really dumb. You can guarantee that the establishment candidate will be pretty little-known and the BBC/Tory press will spin a good honeymoon story for them to win an election on. If they don’t go for a snap election I agree they will struggle to win.
As you all know, I detest Boris on a personal level, but he did manage to win over a lot of the thick plebs in red wall seats. I doubt anyone else can do the same. My “dream” winner would be Grant Shapps. I’d piss myself if he won, but I reckon aliens landing on my lawn today is a more likely scenario.
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 10:51:31 GMT
Gotta love this: “I have sought counsel from those I can trust to blow smoke up my arse 💨 That, when weighed against my own inflated sense of self-importance, leads me to conclude that I should throw my hat 🎩into the ring and stand for election as Leader of the @conservative and Unionist Party” “ Over the next six weeks I will be available to promise you the moon on a stick. Ask and it shall be yours. Let me worry about how I deal with three chancellors and a cabinet of 160. It is having the answers to those questions that makes me the most suitable candidate.” mobile.twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 11:47:56 GMT
I honestly think so many people would jump off a bridge if they told them to.
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 12:12:13 GMT
Starmer and Rayner: No FPN and no case to answer. That’s my theory out the window, although I still find the timing, a day after Boris goes, to be a bit weird. Why so long?
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 12:15:12 GMT
One thing I’m delighted at is that my local MP, Richard Holden, is now being accused of wasting Police time. He’s a utter twat. He only got elected because Labour fielded a Corbynite nutter called Laura Pidcock, and hardly anyone would vote for her. Hopefully she will be long gone by the next election because I’d vote for anyone over her.
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Post by classicrock on Jul 8, 2022 13:41:51 GMT
Starmer and Rayner: No FPN and no case to answer. That’s my theory out the window, although I still find the timing, a day after Boris goes, to be a bit weird. Why so long? Based on what Boris got done for they should have been fined. Dual standards by different Police Forces. Government screwed this law up as it should not be open to police interpretation. Both forces in predominantly labour areas! Timing is too suspicious to be honest. If they did nothing wrong why was it so difficult to come to a conclusion? |
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 13:56:27 GMT
I have a suspicion that Boris cut a deal,with the Met, he really should have received several fines, and Simon Case should’ve been nailed too. My suspicion is that he agreed to be fined for the first event only because it would sink Sunak too. There is a legal challenge accusing the Met of a cover up. I expect lots more wil come out on that.
I have to disagree over comparing Starmer’s one campaign beer with Boris attending 13 parties and hosting 21 in Downing Street. His were breaches on an “industrial scale”. I’m not sure if Starmer deserved a fine or not. The curry was supposed to be delivered during an online meeting, it was late arriving and it looks like they didn’t do any work after. That puts it in a grey area as the intent was to stay within the rules, but the outcome was technically outside them (if they had broken to eat and carried on working after, it would’ve been fine.
There is also the distinction that many of Boris’ transgressions were in the first lockdown when many were dying and nobody was vaccinated. He also lied and lied about his transgressions. The fact he did it in Parliament makes it a resignation offence.
One thing I would say is that Cummings got away with murder when he came up here amd visited Barnard Castle. His account was a tissue of lies, and his transgressions were as bad or worse than anything Boris did.
Sadly the police are always involved in politics. It makes it hard to trust them.
Edit: I should add that I’d probably have preferred Starmer to get an FPN. There are a couple of reasons.
1. It’s a roll of the dice but I’d expect either Andy Burhman or David Miliband to succeed him. Both would be better.
2. It would have also sank Rayner, who is an uneducated fishwife.
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
Just a thought here, but I’m in “conspiracy theory mode”: I wonder if Starmer’s very recent commitments not to undo any element of Brexit and also to rule out getting into bed with sturgeon were part of a deal struck to get out of the FPN.
I really don’t trust anything or anyone in public life these days.
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Post by classicrock on Jul 8, 2022 14:37:45 GMT
I have a suspicion that Boris cut a deal,with the Met, he really should have received several fines, and Simon Case should’ve been nailed too. My suspicion is that he agreed to be fined for the first event only because it would sink Sunak too. There is a legal challenge accusing the Met of a cover up. I expect lots more wil come out on that. I have to disagree over comparing Starmer’s one campaign beer with Boris attending 13 parties and hosting 21 in Downing Street. His were breaches on an “industrial scale”. I’m not sure if Starmer deserved a fine or not. The curry was supposed to be delivered during an online meeting, it was late arriving and it looks like they didn’t do any work after. That puts it in a grey area as the intent was to stay within the rules, but the outcome was technically outside them (if they had broken to eat and carried on working after, it would’ve been fine. There is also the distinction that many of Boris’ transgressions were in the first lockdown when many were dying and nobody was vaccinated. He also lied and lied about his transgressions. The fact he did it in Parliament makes it a resignation offence. One thing I would say is that Cummings got away with murder when he came up here amd visited Barnard Castle. His account was a tissue of lies, and his transgressions were as bad or worse than anything Boris did. Sadly the police are always involved in politics. It makes it hard to trust them. Lack of evidence other than reading the media and a few photos that don't conclusively prove anything. Mostly the fines likely based on what people admitted to doing and Boris would have had a lawyer fill in his questionnaire. So it is possible lawyers cut deals with the police which isn't that abnormal. A lot of events went on when Boris was not in the building. Nobody important other than Boris and Sunak seem to have been fined. Starmer had a complete meal which was booked in advance but it is open to interpretation whether that was part of the working day. I doubt Boris has the organisational skills to plan any of the events depicted. Part of the reason he got into difficulties was being chaotic and not paying attention to detail. That is is main problem. A lot of advisors played a big part in what went wrong and the incorrect information that was put out which then had to be retracted. I think the main issue was that any company these days bans drinks in the office which obviously wasn't something being observed in Downing Street. Could easily been thought that a leaving drink and a few sandwiches was part of the working day. The cover up accusation won't get anywhere with the Met based on recent history. |
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 17:13:03 GMT
A complete planned meal was entirely within the rules in place at the time of Beergate….. as long as it was sandwiched (lol) between periods of work. The curry was late in landing because it should have arrived at the time of a video conference. It came later when arguably the agenda had expired: That’s if the agenda was stuck to.
As I understand it, the whole case rested on whether any work was undertaken after the meal. Hard to prove either way, I guess.
As for Boris, I agree the event he was fined for was arguably work related. But there was the ABBA Party that’s wasn’t even. Investigated by the Met or Sue Gray and many others. To me it’s clear from this and his “form” that Boris would not heed even his own rules. He was in charge of Downing Street and he and Case should have been history. So should Cummings earlier on.
I think you’re possibly right about the Met, but that doesn’t make it right. They took ages and did a piss poor job of investigating, which I believe was deliberate. If I was one of the thousands fined for Covid breaches, or someone who couldn’t say goodbye to a loved one, I’d want to hang the twats. What am I saying? I still want to hang the twats!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 17:52:52 GMT
All i can think about is the Queen of England having to sit on her own at her husbands funeral. While those fuckkers think its quite alright to mingle.
One thing i can bet there will never be another lockdown because people will just stick two fingers up at any sugestions laid down.
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Post by classicrock on Jul 8, 2022 18:02:30 GMT
It's even stranger that Starmer get's cleared and we get a new head of the Met announced on the same day and the day after Boris resigned.
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Post by Westie on Jul 8, 2022 18:21:23 GMT
It's even stranger that Starmer get's cleared and we get a new head of the Met announced on the same day and the day after Boris resigned. I missed that one! There HAS to be a link here, |
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