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Post by Westie on Apr 15, 2024 17:59:05 GMT
They both need putting down like the mad dogs that they are. |
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 1:07:28 GMT
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 1:24:40 GMT
If you voted for Brexit, backed Boris and then cheered Liz Truss into Downing Street, please take a look in the mirror. Should you really be voting again? Take a look at the state we are in and stop making excuses and blaming other factors. You were wrong every time you put an ❌ in the box and we are all living with the consequences.
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 3:39:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 10:49:54 GMT
We got out local election vote thru the post today. ffks i just don't know what to do this year.
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Post by dsjr on Apr 18, 2024 14:16:33 GMT
If you voted for Brexit, backed Boris and then cheered Liz Truss into Downing Street, please take a look in the mirror. Should you really be voting again? Take a look at the state we are in and stop making excuses and blaming other factors. You were wrong every time you put an ❌ in the box and we are all living with the consequences. I can't accept that, not really...
I've explained why I voted in the Brexit vote, but like most others I suspect, who really did think about it, felt the slow moving establishment run by people with hands and feet well into lucrative Euro-pies actually let us down subsequently as they fought it in shock all the way. As with a lot coming out of Westminster, the reasoning for and against prior to the vote was dumbed down and Boris played along with it. Maybe the shit in his life was reported long before he became PM, but I don't remember much about it I have to say and alarm bells didn't start to ring until the day after the B vote, when he all but hurtled out of his front gate and into his SUV transport without so much as a word. I felt then that maybe he wasn't expecting the vote to go the way it had and that he was all but running for cover until being told what to say!!!
The state of the UK has been awful since Lord knows when and especially bad in the after-effects of 2008 i think (when I started to take more notice if only squinting before events post Brexit where I've been able to chat and discover more...
I know we've discussed how things are probably different 'up north' (so much for 'levelling up!'), but I think the Westminster and Whitehall 'bubbles' dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator so we mostly live in ignorance and the Tories which have been in for far too long, increased their self-service and self importance more than ever - I believe currently because they thought they could.
If I'm wrong, please tell me, but I rail against being thought of as an ignorant 'little englander' - not by you or anyone here, but on another speaker-maker's forum I used to post on that happens to have a 'Brexit 2016 thread in addition to the self praise everywhere else there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 14:59:07 GMT
There was an interview with Truss with Peston on his show last night
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Post by dsjr on Apr 18, 2024 17:18:06 GMT
There was an interview with Truss with Peston on his show last night And..... Was it the same old mantra she's been saying for the last year or more? I find peston very difficult to listen to in his often slow and stilted speech, sorry...
This is interesting and hopefully the beginnings of a return to a better relationship with the EU at least?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 17:23:38 GMT
No i was surprised what i heard
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 17:25:50 GMT
I genuinely feel it’s the truth, albeit one that those who voted for these three disasters can’t bear to face. Let me try and explain.
Britain wasn’t doing at all badly until the 2008 economic crash, which was caused by Republicans pursuing the sort of policies Truss would be proud of. They crashed the World economy.
What happened next was Tory austerity. The same sort of Thatcherite economics that made the two recessions of her tenure far worse than they needed to be, but we were still getting through it when the Brexit vote wiped about 20% off the value of Sterling (and therefore Britain) overnight. That was strike 1 against those who voted to sink us. I could be more brutal and call it strike 2, as the same people largely voted for Tory Austerity.
Strike 2 was electing Boris. The man had given us so much evidence of his terrible morality and character, his incessant lies and also his rank incompetence. And yet people still voted him into power to deliver an un-necessarily damaging incarnation of Brexit which has wiped 5%pa off GDP year on year. If you voted for Tory Austerity, then Brexit, then Boris I’d say your judgement is already so poor that you should question whether you should ever vote again.
Strike 3, and the coup-de-grace as far as I’m concerned is not being able to see through Liz Truss and recognise her for the enormous danger to Britain that she was. If you’ve made all the mistakes outlined above, I’m sorry but I have every right to feel you lack the mental competence to make rational decisions, especially when they affect me and the rest of the country, not to mention your loved ones, whose futures you have damaged beyond retrieval.
I’m sorry but I just see the arguments about Britain being on a downer for a long time etc as more excuses to avoid having to face the truth about being conned and unable to see through obvious lies, liars and mental cases. You know the old saying “fool me once, shame on you: Fool me twice, shame on me”? Well we are well past being fooled twice for anyone who voted for Tory austerity, Brexit, Boris and Truss. I’d say they were a danger to society and the direction their votes have taken us is ample proof if they will but open their eyes to it.
Please remember I’m not having a go at you here. I don’t recall you being a rabid Truss admirer and I don’t think you voted for Boris because it was a vote for Coffey. It’s the pattern of voting over and over for inflicting damage I’m highlighting. Also the inability to spot liars, incompetents and nutters. Cameron was a liar, Boris was a liar and an incompetent. Truss was arguably all three if you count the fact she’s now lying to herself.
On a related note, Truss, Boris, Farage, Ress Mogg and the Telegraph are now unquestioningly dropping into line behind Trump. SURELY that has to set alarm bells ringing for anyone with an ounce of sense? And yet we will still get people who think the cause of all our problems is that we haven’t moved far enough to the Right! Like I’ve said before, do you really have to kill the patient with the toxin that made them ill to be sure that it’s not doing them any good?
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 18:30:26 GMT
No i was surprised what i heard I just watched her, but it was the same old nonsense of it being everybody else’s fault. She was apparently completely unaware of the fact that pension funds had invested so heavily in gilts and so was Kwarteng (yes the Oxford Economics graduate she chose to run the economy). Pity they didn’t ask me, or anyone else who spends a few minutes a day reading financial news. It wasn’t their faults though, because nobody warned her. I’m assuming she was dialled out every time Sunak said she would wreck the economy. The Bank Of England didn’t warn her either, except that they did. Oh, and then there was the Offfice for Budget Responsibility. They didn’t warn her because she and Kwarteng refused to allow them to scrutinise and report on her plans, even though that’s the very reason they exist! She forgot to mention that she’ wrote in her book that she contemplated sacking the governor and the OBR officials for getting in her way. Then of course those nasty Treasury officials who didn’t warn her, except they did too. And then they had the audacity to leak to the press when she failed to listen, in order to try and undermine her and save the country in the process. Oh, and then Rishi Sunak didn’t sack the governor of the Bank Of England for not stopping her from almost wiping out our pension funds. He just did that to make her look bad and he should be sacked right now. But she was very responsible. She reversed course when she was told that we were within hours of the government not being able to pay its debts (otherwise known as being bankrupt). And of course she’s still willing to give us all a second chance to mend our ways and see that she was right then, and is still right today. And if the Tories don’t see things her way they are finished. All very reasonable stuff, if you’re a Broadmoor resident. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:18:01 GMT
Remember no one is perfect lol
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 19:26:36 GMT
Haha except in her mind, she is  Did you notice her mouth is getting even sloppier and her words are becoming more and more slurred, like she’s wearing someone else’s false teeth? She’s been like that for a while but it’s getting really noticeable now. Ingesting mercury will wreck your teeth and jaw bone, as well as send you mad. I did wonder lol. |
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 19:37:25 GMT
If her being unable to find her way to the door of a room wasn’t enough to convince you there’s something wrong with Truss, how about this.
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Post by Westie on Apr 18, 2024 23:43:29 GMT
One final analogy on those folk who have kept doubling down on right-wing policies and politicians, rather than admit they have been wrong again and again.
They remind me of Mesoamerican cultures where sacrifices to their “Gods” didn’t bring the wealth and blessings they expected. When things turned for the worse, they committed more and more blood sacrifices to the point of near-destruction of their culture.
This is exactly the same human flaw we see in those people today who keep moving further and further to the extremes offered by Farage, Braverman, Truss and Trump.
This is the point I was making: How far do you have to go, and how much do you need to threaten society in the worship of false gods before you realise that all the sacriices have been in vain and have actually destroyed everything you believed you were saving?
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