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Post by Westie on Jun 16, 2022 11:56:18 GMT
How can hard or soft Brexit be semantics? It has a massive impact on the life of people. Customs union? Freedom of movement? How can these be semantics. You can’t have it both ways. If the opinion of the people is paramount, why not give them a final say? I guarantee they would’ve voted to remain rather than have the hard Brexit and that’s why there was no vote. Both may and Boris were held hostage by the ERG and Farage, and it’s still a factor today. The Tory party is an extremist sect now. On the Irish problem, I think it’s intractable. The DUP never support anything that breaks the status quo. They are still the party of Ian Paisley. Like Andre, I’d far rather be rid of them, but many in NI don’t want that and I have to accept their rights. It again shows that a Brexit outside of the Customs Union should never have been contemplated whilst we had this issue. Clearly not semantics, as customs union dissolves the issue. Well nobody defined the difference. Being in the customs union and single market isn't leaving. Not Brexit at all. It’s a soft Brexit if you remain in both. You do remember the backbenchers obtaining votes on these aspects when May couldn’t get her Brexit deal through? I think your points highlight the problem with the referendum vote. To you, remaining in the customs union and/or single market/retaining freedom of movement aren’t Brexit, but to many folk (including hundreds of MPs) they clearly are/were. Voting on the big picture without seeing the details in place was always going to lead to arguments afterwards. Cameron bet on a simple yes/no vote as a means of sinking Brexit and he lost. He only did this to appease the same nutters who keep holding the Tories to ransom, and that’s why I feel they need to be gone. Their opinions are far form those of the majority and they have almost nothing in common with ordinary people. It’s clear that the Brexit we ended up with didn’t and doesn’t have the support of the majority of people. Most think it was a mistake. www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/There would not have been a majority in favour of hard Brexit or No Deal Brexit. Only a handful of Tory nutters in Parliament too, and yet they held the party hostage. Boris did his usual thing of letting his mouth write cheques his arse couldn’t cash, and here we are today, still living with the fallout. |
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Post by Westie on Jun 16, 2022 12:54:36 GMT
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Post by classicrock on Jun 16, 2022 14:34:53 GMT
So why are they preparing another flight? It's true they may have factored on the European Court getting involved but they have to send some illegal migrants to show they mean business. I have an alternative which involves deflated dingys and mass drownings. Government need to stop this somehow but I'm sure the reasoning is not safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 14:51:23 GMT
Let Europe do what the fuck they want taking them in, we are no part of them now trying to dictate to us what we can & cannot do. Do not let them in. Cant the coast guard patrol as far as possible away from the UK to stop them even coming near. They have to do something, Selling them to Rwanda is totally wrong.
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Post by Westie on Jun 16, 2022 16:05:29 GMT
So why are they preparing another flight? It's true they may have factored on the European Court getting involved but they have to send some illegal migrants to show they mean business. I have an alternative which involves deflated dingys and mass drownings. Government need to stop this somehow but I'm sure the reasoning is not safety. I agree with you. I want the flights to work. I just don’t think they are serious. The aim isn’t to deport, it’s to be thwarted and blame the EU. Another flight is being planned to keep it in the headlines in the run up to the by elections. If they were serious about this they would’ve repealed ECHR long before now. Incidentally, Boris has previously declared himself a big fan of ECHR, as it was largely the work of his hero, Winston Churchill. But then again, he wasn’t even firmly on the Vote Leave side until it became the vehicle for his route to power.:
“In may 2016, Mr Johnson told Vote Leave supporters at York Racecourse: "We wrote it and actually I am a supporter of it.
"I think it was one of the great things we gave to Europe. It was under Winston Churchill, it was a fine idea in the post-War environment.
"I am not against the European Convention or indeed the Court because it's very important for us - the judgements of the European Court of Human Rights do not have to be applied either by the UK courts or by the UK Parliament.””www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/moment-boris-johnson-vowed-keep-27239311 |
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Post by Westie on Jun 19, 2022 20:10:47 GMT
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Post by stevielad on Jun 20, 2022 8:52:10 GMT
It's quite astonishing how Murdoch and his morbidly bent crew continue to try and force feed us a sanitised version of the news dictated from the very top, yet they continue to get away with it. Putin and his cronies are nothing compared to these charlatans.
What you're not actually seeing in the news is what a complete cock-up Brexit has become, and some of the other crushed stories surrounding our beloved PM who is dripping in sleaze. Allegedly, there are some great tales creeping out emanating from his time in Brussels when he was working as a hack for the Torygraph.
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Post by Westie on Jun 25, 2022 14:03:45 GMT
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Post by classicrock on Jun 25, 2022 14:48:19 GMT
If you are going to get rid of Boris there has to be a credible replacement who actually has a plan for the economy and sorting out migration and Brexit. Interesting interview with Farage the other night. Australia gave up in outsourcing asylum seekers and just dropped them back were they sailed from. Obvious solution is take them back to France rather than back here. Also there is no attempt to change regulations and taxes as we are now free to do. He does not believe the leading Tories fully believe in Brexit. A drop in VAT would instantly reduce high wage demands and cut cost of fuel. Any government would have fallen apart with Covid, the financial crisis and war. I do think a lot of these stories coming out are a bit fanciful. There would have been no chance of building this tree house and even Boris could not be so deluded that he would be in Chequers long enough for it to make sense even if anyone was daft enough to pay for it. I wonder if any of his spending on alterations matters as long as public money is not used?
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Post by Westie on Jun 25, 2022 14:57:36 GMT
It certainly matters to me. You don’t get personal donations without anything in return. It’s abuse of public office, which he has form for, and should be a Capital offence imo. He’s a “wrong-un” in every way imaginable.
To me it doesn’t matter who gets elected after he goes. You can’t have a rogue running the country. If the Tories can’t find a decent leader, then they have no business being in power.
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Post by Westie on Jul 5, 2022 18:45:30 GMT
Looks like Bonking Boris the Pinocchio PM is clinging on by his fingertips. Sunak, Javid and a few others have resigned. Will there be more? He has no shame so I expect he will try to cling on. Great entertainment for those of us who hate him :]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 8:11:09 GMT
Made my day seeing Javid resign. As for Sunak, why he needs to work is beyond me. Bit odd both these two Resigning together tho, but hey ho next please LOL.
This cuntry is in such a mess in every way.
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Post by classicrock on Jul 6, 2022 9:07:57 GMT
Second time Javid resigned and Sunak wasted billions and put up taxes. Also delayed the windfall tax. So good riddance. I just hope neither get to replace Boris which is likely their ambition. What other country would get rid of a government as a result of a queer touching up a couple of knobs in a posh club? Not only Boris but every member of Parliament must have know about Pincher. It's laughable.
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Post by Westie on Jul 6, 2022 9:14:29 GMT
It’s just a fig leaf of an excuse being used to do what they should have done ages ago, and remove Johnson.
Fully agree about Sunak and Javid. Seeing Rory Stewart on TV yesterday reminded me of the one person I’d have voted for. None of the current/recent cabinet are honest or capable. But then this Tory government isn’t fit for office and they need a period of opposition to get rid of the lunatic fringe that has infected them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 9:19:04 GMT
Looks like Nadhim Zahawi gonna be chancellor
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