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Post by André on Jan 28, 2024 23:22:54 GMT
I was always a fan of designs with ABR units, Had a bit of trouble with them using Turntables in the past but i favour them over standard reflex ports.
I was in two minds as to buying another pair
Ive actually got a pair of KEF 'CADENZA' with duff tweeters but didnt bother with them because i know full well they wont be welcome in the living room lol.
anyone else into Passive Radiator designs?
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Post by dsjr on Jan 29, 2024 11:04:43 GMT
104ab's really came into their own with non vinyl sources and they're rather better than the Cadenza's which spawned them (direct comparison). The original foam grilles crumble but there's ways around that now.
I'd avoind Ditton 15's, 25's and the UL series that came after. I don't know the Ditton 150 (I think it was called) but had a very soft spot for the Ditton 66 and the related B&O 5702.
Ported speakers don't have to be awful, it's just that speaker designers of small boxes use them to excess to bolster up bass rather than tuned to the main resonance of the bass drivers as my big ATC's did - these had VERY tight bass and no air flow from the port at all I could feel. Small porty boxes often have the port noise into the upper midrange which can be trouble if said port is front mounted..
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Post by André on Jan 29, 2024 15:48:45 GMT
As for CELESTION I was a '22'/'33' sealed box fan, Wasnt bothered about any of the others. I never heard the 'DITTON 150' These were CELESTION INTERNATIONAL' speaker which would have been post 1979. There was also a model around the time of the original '15 a smaller model called the '120'
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Post by dsjr on Jan 29, 2024 21:30:09 GMT
Didn't the 120 replace the County? I forgot about the 44 which was a bit rich but smooth and 'friendly' I remember. Naim CB suited them really well. The 22 and 33 came a bit later and I don't know these, although they did pretty well in 'Choice I remember.
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Post by André on Jan 29, 2024 22:15:20 GMT
The difference between the '22' & '33' Is the '22' uses a 8" Woofer, the '33' 10" Obviously different size box. Sound great both of them. Circa 1973/75
No the 'COUNTY' was a long running model, a standard sealed 2Way. The Mk.1 with the 'HF1300' came out after the 15Mk.1. The late 70's version with the 'HD1000' Tweeter was a Ported 2Way.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 30, 2024 9:46:46 GMT
The Counties I knew were the HF1300 version.
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Post by André on Jan 30, 2024 11:04:59 GMT
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Post by André on Jan 30, 2024 11:35:08 GMT
 New look. Gone are the blackened chipboard baffle boards on the '11'/'15'/'25'/'44'/'66' for veneer. The '22' wouldnt have been out there just yet, but just looked like a smaller '33' |
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Post by dsjr on Jan 30, 2024 11:42:02 GMT
I remember the UL models not realising their full potential and lost touch after the SL6, apart from a nice sounding set of 551's being traded in (we got the last HF2000 dome to repair them). I didn't really realise how good or important the 551 and 661 were back then - I think I was using NS1000's badly driven by a Linn amp if I did but know it.
1990's Celestion post the SL6/600 and while still in Ipswich, were really good if not wonderful looking I recall (A series?).
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Post by André on Jan 30, 2024 12:08:22 GMT
'332,'442'.'552','662' were also great speakers
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Post by Westie on Jan 30, 2024 17:25:17 GMT
My mate got a pair of 66s given to him by a neighbour who was moving abroad. It’s not that long ago either. I think he got £6-700 for them. I never got to hear them but he rated them. Not enough to keep them tough lol.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 30, 2024 17:59:34 GMT
Bass similarly plumbed much of the depths of a larger IMF transmission line. They could sparkle sweetly but today would be slightly 'laid back' in balance I think - they certainly measure that way. We never had them on dem (44and 25 was as far as KJ went in 1974) but I heard and liked them in client's homes. I'd suggest a lean toned low output impedance (high damping factor's not a term to be used now) amp to keep the bass together best I suggest (don't tell me Celestion used a Quad 303 or 50E as main reference amp as Spendor did and maybe KEF too  ). |
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Post by André on Jan 30, 2024 18:52:33 GMT
My mate got a pair of 66s given to him by a neighbour who was moving abroad. It’s not that long ago either. I think he got £6-700 for them. I never got to hear them but he rated them. Not enough to keep them tough lol. I just think the 662 were a better speaker, Bigger than the 66 too & also had a two piece grill. There was also a later version of the 66 called the LEGEND as well as the '88' |
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Post by André on Feb 2, 2024 0:41:45 GMT
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