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Post by stevielad on Sept 6, 2020 17:34:08 GMT
I'm prone to enjoying some classical relaxation once in a while. My 'unwind' favourites tend to be Purcell, Handel, Vivaldi and Bach, and best appreciated with a nice glass of Chianti.
However, for me this is a genre that MUST absolutely be played on CD. The merest trace of a pop, click or piece of surface noise would inflame my OCD to such an extent my family members would pack up and run for the hills.
Anyone else enjoy the odd bit of classical, and if so, what's your preferred format? Who are the composers you most admire? |
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Post by dsjr on Sept 6, 2020 17:37:21 GMT
CD without a doubt!
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Post by Westie on Sept 6, 2020 18:27:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 18:45:11 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Sept 7, 2020 7:26:05 GMT
Well, having an old friend who was a mastering engineer at Decca before they packed it in who gave me the comparisons (blah blah blah...).
The differences in recordings makes the difference and 'digital' will reproduce it all too clearly. I just loved how the venue atmosphere was captured on good orchestral recordings and this is often far clearer via CD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 7:55:14 GMT
Be careful Dave, If you done & had too much, Stevie-lad will think your are telling pork pies.
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Post by classicrock on Sept 7, 2020 10:04:14 GMT
I would think Classical is a format that benefits from SACD. CD is always going to be a little restricting with only 16 bit depth. There is actually a lot of classical on the SACD format. There is also still a lot of audiophile classical vinyl in print. I do understand how CLassical listeners like the lack of surface noise and clicks with this type of music. I possess little Classical but probably would go mainly digital due to cost and availability rather than sound. I couldn't be doing with noisy used vinyl for playing classical even if it is cheap generally. But for collectable labels and performances used Classical and Jazz vinyl can be mindboggingly as expensive as prog rock or even more so.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 7, 2020 11:42:32 GMT
SA-CD is two things - Firstly, the chance of looking again at a given recording and making 'mastering adjustments' accordingly (try taking the analogue output of an SA-CD player and recording it at 16/41 and see if you can hear any difference  ). Quite often, these mastering 'adjustments' make it better, but please don't think this wouldn't translate to red book CD, as apparently it does (I haven't tried myself though). The other thing all SA-CD players do which I've seen tested is a spray of noise between 20 and 50kHz, just the thing to set the tin can metal tweeter domes off which already ring at 25 - 30khz (my Harbeths ring at two frequencies and on paper it looks a mess  ). The best non-ringy tweeters go out to 40khz quite flat these days (some of the ring radiators out there), so they'll happily reproduce this noise and even a Naim doesn't filter quite that low...
Typical analogue tapes if still playable, usually roll out above 17kHz anyway and only a few seem to retain anything up to 20khz depending on the condition of the playback machine when the digital dub was made.
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Post by Westie on Sept 7, 2020 12:25:29 GMT
I’ve on,unheRd SACD via. Kate’s Onkyo player so it’s probbaly not a valid comparison. It wasn’t half boring though.
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Post by classicrock on Sept 7, 2020 17:07:39 GMT
SA-CD is two things - Firstly, the chance of looking again at a given recording and making 'mastering adjustments' accordingly (try taking the analogue output of an SA-CD player and recording it at 16/41 and see if you can hear any difference ). Quite often, these mastering 'adjustments' make it better, but please don't think this wouldn't translate to red book CD, as apparently it does (I haven't tried myself though). The other thing all SA-CD players do which I've seen tested is a spray of noise between 20 and 50kHz, just the thing to set the tin can metal tweeter domes off which already ring at 25 - 30khz (my Harbeths ring at two frequencies and on paper it looks a mess ). The best non-ringy tweeters go out to 40khz quite flat these days (some of the ring radiators out there), so they'll happily reproduce this noise and even a Naim doesn't filter quite that low...
Typical analogue tapes if still playable, usually roll out above 17kHz anyway and only a few seem to retain anything up to 20khz depending on the condition of the playback machine when the digital dub was made.
I believe that noise outside the audio spectrum is actually filtered. In my experience there is less brittle treble with SACD than PCM. Hence many think it is more analogue like. You also have some players now that convert everything digital to DSD (disc or files). DSD seems quite a big thing these days with hardware manufacturers. I really don't know if many make use of it however. I think the idea that SACD/DSD is going to fry tweeters is a thing of the past. |
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Post by dsjr on Sept 7, 2020 18:28:48 GMT
I was just trying to suggest the noise coming out of an SA-CD player (I don't think you can take a digital output of the pure SA-CD feed) was from the analogue outputs and would certainly 'energise' wide-band tweeters. HDCD was odd too, almost as if you'd switched in a reverb module I know wasn't there in the original...
For now, I'll just stick to aspiring to a Topping E30 or Schiit Modi 3 for single ended, or their balanced out versions for two hundred quid. I don't need better. Certainly, early SA-CD's were equalised differently and around the time of the format's launch, I have an idea that the digital workstations had improved, which was the main issue with early CD mastering if editing was needed.
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). Quite often, these mastering 'adjustments' make it better, but please don't think this wouldn't translate to red book CD, as apparently it does (I haven't tried myself though).
). The best non-ringy tweeters go out to 40khz quite flat these days (some of the ring radiators out there), so they'll happily reproduce this noise and even a Naim doesn't filter quite that low...