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Post by rudi on Apr 28, 2020 14:43:12 GMT
never in my 35 years of messing with kit i have i ever wired up a cartridge played a tune and thought oh wow this sounds awesome.
tbh all i have ever owned have been junk except one..even that is ok and not what i would call amazing.
maybe i'm being to critical but if pay 2k for something like this i expect utter perfection and a sound that blows my socks off
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Post by dsjr on Apr 28, 2020 15:20:22 GMT
Rudi, if it's any help I set up a Gyrodek with SME V last year. The deck wasn't the latest I admit - it was from the twin-belt era, but once sorted out (the main bearing had come unscrewed (no idea how), the motor pulley needed cleaning to stop the belts 'whipping' slightly and the stylus needed severe cleaning, the 'sound' was really nice. Cartridge was a Lyra Delos I believe and the 'sound' was more authoritative than say, your OC9.
One thing with the gyro, it's almost impossible to get a proper bounce from the thing (I believe the Orbe is easier but only have limited experience). This Gyro needed levelling and I disturbed/rotated a spring while adjusting, killing the bounce and the sound precision as well! Corrected this and the good quality came back!
Sorry I'm rambling again! You know, an AT-F2 has a great basic sound according to two friends with them and in MC terms, this and the F7 are VM95E's of the moving coil world. Sure a fancy diamond may give lower surface noise and better side-end clarity, but you pay though the effin' nose for it (you always did but inflation increases the price differences)!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:24:01 GMT
I never expected too much from a cartridge tbh. If i buy a cartridge that sounds at least as clear as a CD but without all the other un listenable side effects that CD give im happy. I except the nature of Vinyl which is limited & have no desire to get blood from a stone that a lot think they can strive to do.
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Post by rudi on Apr 28, 2020 15:27:12 GMT
Alright Dave. no oc9 in my system mate...that lasted about 18 seconds before being given away. dl-304..not used it in 6 years so maybe it's shot..bought it just before we left the uk march 2005 lol..might plug it in one day..lost nearly all my interest in music since about 2010..in fact almost have zero interest in it.  |
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Post by dsjr on Apr 28, 2020 15:33:02 GMT
The 304 was nice enough, especially in a lower mass arm. I like a bit of drive me, so I'd probably go for a Hana with Shibata tip (can sound smoother these days than an ML type). I'm so out of date on designer cartridges these days and I'd break a Lyra cantilever in seconds!
If you wanted a clear but 'nicer' tone from vinyl, I suspect an AT 740 or maybe 750 would be really good and 'less 'assertive' than many MC's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 18:14:44 GMT
Turntables that require 'painstaking' setting up and proper bounce, is a huge turn off for me! Each to their own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 18:25:24 GMT
Some decks are not worth the shit Shane.
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Post by Westie on Apr 29, 2020 13:51:55 GMT
Turntables that require 'painstaking' setting up and proper bounce, is a huge turn off for me! Each to their own. S. Yeah I’m they way now too, The Systemdek and Mantra are no bother though |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 14:34:57 GMT
Aye Systemdek are a piss ball to set up.Another reason i opted for the Rega arm is its simplicity compared to fiddly arms like the Mayware. I just really cannot be arsed these days with faff
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Post by dsjr on Apr 29, 2020 15:49:40 GMT
I'm going to admit a previous discussion with westie got me thinking as regards mounting the Rega RB arms, together with experience as to how good they can be mounted to a deck/armboard they like - I know others despise these arms, but i maintain the 'grey' tonality isn't the wiring, no matter how shit it looks, but more what the arm is mounted on.
An ex-Garrard engineer qualified in vibrartion analysis suggested a tri-point fixing as per current Rega arms may just need one screw tightening, the other two just barely 'nipped up.'
The SME arms have some 'breaks' in the mounting arrangements. Rega RB single pillar types don't, so maybe not tightening the nut very firmly is a good thing after all (asking myself)?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 16:03:50 GMT
With a lot of people its the thought on a solder joint on each wire behind that rubber Head shell bung & that circular board in the base not to mention the use of the cartridge ground wire with no flying lead that looks to be a sonic nightmare, much easier on the mind to replace the whole lot. Just that people make a big song & dance out of a straight forward job.
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Post by Westie on Apr 29, 2020 17:31:10 GMT
I'm going to admit a previous discussion with westie got me thinking as regards mounting the Rega RB arms, together with experience as to how good they can be mounted to a deck/armboard they like - I know others despise these arms, but i maintain the 'grey' tonality isn't the wiring, no matter how shit it looks, but more what the arm is mounted on. An ex-Garrard engineer qualified in vibrartion analysis suggested a tri-point fixing as per current Rega arms may just need one screw tightening, the other two just barely 'nipped up.' The SME arms have some 'breaks' in the mounting arrangements. Rega RB single pillar types don't, so maybe not tightening the nut very firmly is a good thing after all (asking myself)? I’m not sure whether it’s the way it was designed, but the Artemiz also benefits from being barely finger-tight. The RB300 absolutely sucks with acrylic or delrin arm boards. It does seem fussy about what it’s mounted on. Metal arm boards it seems to like. Wood/MDF seems to vary. |
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Post by dsjr on Apr 29, 2020 17:35:28 GMT
Well, I keep banging on about the Notts Analogue collet arrangement which gently holds the Rega arm pillar (old and new types) and allows VTA as well! I've never heard one of these sing as well as it does in these decks, although the Planar 8 and 10 are damned good if you like a squeaky clean presentation opposite to the organic LP12/Gyrodek musical cuddles  I'm about to go off on a Lenco trek - wish me luck as you wave me goodbye... No decks will be carved up or butchered in the process either, but one has already been got at so is being partly restored as too much has been removed  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 18:08:18 GMT
Everyone should but the Michell Hand tight nut to replace the one that Rega supply.. I was gonna use an Acrylic Arm board for the Systemdek but decided against it as i remembered the last time i swapped out MDF for Acrylic armboard.
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