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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 10:02:43 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Apr 30, 2020 10:47:55 GMT
My fav SYSTEMDEK was the 'IV'. With exception to the lids which i did not like, preferred the 55mm one that were fitted to the 'IIX' Variants.. i thought the 'IV' were the best looking too. Metal tub base too  The Plinth bears a close similarity to the LOGIC 'TEMPO' Deck [Thats actually my old 'TEMPO' Before i restored it] I'd left KJ by the time this model arrived and only saw it at a show when I stopped by to chat with founder Peter Dunlop (another lovely chap no longer with us). Apart from the slow springiness of the earlier models, the 'sonics' were first class, but not the same as a period LP12, so you know what that meant (it's different therefore it's automatically worse!). I've no knowledge at all as regards their current (silly expensive?) models, but the opening paragraphs of this review just about sum it all up and I think you'd agree Andr'e? I'm lifting text here but it deserves to be read -
'History is a funny thing. It can be positive – or it can be negative. Generally speaking, saying that you “have history” with someone, isn’t good. Nor is it a fixed or finite truth, famously being written by the victors – victors who more often than not, airbrush the content as well as deciding on their own starting point. Considering just how central the three-point suspended sub-chassis turntable has been to the development of the UK audio experience, its genesis and evolution is at best murky and at worst obscured by the sort of “nothing to see here” smokescreen that any government would be proud of. Ask a Linn-acolyte and Year Zero is marked by the birth of the LP12 – the AR-XA and Thorens TD150 simply ignored, while the Ariston RD11 has been expunged from the record with all the extreme prejudice normally reserved for a Stalinist apparatchik who got a little too good at their job. Likewise, the expression ‘big three’ means different things to different people: for some it consists of the Linn, Pink Triangle, and Roksan, while those with longer memories or more fundamentalist views might include the Logic DM101 in place of the barely suspended Xerxes. But if you really want to go back to the dawn of time – at least UK ‘triple-time’ – then the third player would really be the Dunlop Systemdek, a turntable whose star had arguably already started to wane when the Logic first appeared. Which is, as is so often the case, slightly ironic, as of all the basic models mentioned above, the Systemdek, with its low-slung, low-frequency suspension was arguably the most mechanically stable and forward looking of all…
I’m not sure when ‘history’ becomes ‘heritage’, but somewhere between the demise of the original Systemdek III and the emergence of the current Systemdek 3D models (the Precision reviewed here and the bigger and pricier Reference), that’s what’s happened. Show the 3D Precision to audiophiles of a certain age and they come over all misty eyed, fondly reminiscing about those older Systemdeks (record players they were probably all too quick to dismiss with the impetuosity of youth). Of course, there’s much more to the Systemdek story than just the original Systemdek III, with the more affordable II, and cylindrical IIX enjoying considerable success – the former living on in evolved form in the shape of the various Audio Note turntables. Likewise, the company has passed from father Peter Dunlop to sons Derek and Ramsay with unbroken continuity, and the current designs are clearly the result of all that accumulated knowledge and experience, from the use of a laminated sub-chassis in the Reference to the highly evolved suspension system across the range.' |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 11:09:50 GMT
Nice Review. I can't look on these newer offerings in the same light as old... Hi-Fi was over in the early 90's for me. Lids on those 'IV' were the same lid used on those Grey Nexy finish 'III' decks. Basically the Biscuit Tin 'II' in a plinth.  |
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Post by Westie on Apr 30, 2020 16:21:10 GMT
I never saw the nextel finish on a new deck, but I did buy a used one. I had planned to strip and restore it, but it was horribly sticky and I ultimately didn’t like the idea of a non-original finish. I moved it on and made a bit on it, but never tried the deck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 17:44:12 GMT
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Post by engy on May 12, 2020 10:23:12 GMT
I had the oil rig.
I swapped it for a Valhalla LP12.
I remember you could set in bouncing , go make a cuppa , come back and the fucker would still be going up and down.
I really liked the sound . The most bass'y turntable I've had.
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Post by Westie on May 12, 2020 12:04:36 GMT
Is the “oil rig” the one that looks like a biscuit tin? I’ve only had the nextel covered jobbie, a IIX and a IIX 900. The only one I ever fired up was the 900. It lacked pitch stability but it was the mains driven one and maybe needed a new belt.
I used to build up LP12s from parts back in the early noughties. They are enjoyable and likeable decks but I don’t think the heavy platter does them any favours. I made up an LP12 and used an Axis outer plattter whilst I awaited a bargain LP12 one. Obviously the suspension behaves differently for one thing, but I really liked the sound of that hybrid.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 13:24:02 GMT
Yes. The 'II'was the biscuit Tin with Glass platter. The 'IIS' was same but had an Alloy Platter. Wish id kept it tbh..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 18:47:09 GMT
I used to build up LP12s from parts back in the early noughties. They are enjoyable and likeable decks but I don’t think the heavy platter does them any favours. I made up an LP12 and used an Axis outer plattter whilst I awaited a bargain LP12 one. Obviously the suspension behaves differently for one thing, but I really liked the sound of that hybrid. I did a similar thing with my Ariston 'RD11S' put the lighter 'RD11 Superior' platter on. |
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Post by Westie on Jun 6, 2020 19:07:20 GMT
I used to build up LP12s from parts back in the early noughties. They are enjoyable and likeable decks but I don’t think the heavy platter does them any favours. I made up an LP12 and used an Axis outer plattter whilst I awaited a bargain LP12 one. Obviously the suspension behaves differently for one thing, but I really liked the sound of that hybrid. I did a similar thing with my Ariston 'RD11S' put the lighter 'RD11 Superior' platter on. Was it better, too? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 19:08:24 GMT
Yes. Started upto speed easier too.
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The Plinth bears a close similarity to the LOGIC 'TEMPO' Deck [Thats actually my old 'TEMPO' Before i restored it]
