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Post by dsjr on Jul 3, 2020 13:41:24 GMT
You paid HOW MUCH for these?
I just don't understand as the Deep Purple albums were *very* carefully mastered for CD some years back (I think Roger Glover was involved) and as I recall, great care was taken to locate the original mixdown master tapes, thus saving a generation of analogue losses.. I think the PF albums have been gone over several times to use the best tapes and so on.
I'm sorry, I just don't get it mate, I really dont!
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Post by Westie on Jul 3, 2020 14:11:03 GMT
Just won GENESIS - NURSERY CRYME in real nice condition, Not paying silly money for a Scroll Charisma issue. This is a Small Pink Hatter Re-issue from about 1974.. Still i aint complaining at £10.  Gosh that brings back memories. That was one af my older brothers fave albums when we shared a bedroom. I was about 6/7 and he was 16/17. I don’t think I’ve heard it since. |
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Post by classicrock on Jul 3, 2020 14:58:20 GMT
That's a bargain for that title. Do wonder why the scrolls fetch so much as Charisma pressing quality often left something to be desired.
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Post by classicrock on Jul 3, 2020 15:04:35 GMT
You paid HOW MUCH for these? I just don't understand as the Deep Purple albums were *very* carefully mastered for CD some years back (I think Roger Glover was involved) and as I recall, great care was taken to locate the original mixdown master tapes, thus saving a generation of analogue losses.. I think the PF albums have been gone over several times to use the best tapes and so on. I'm sorry, I just don't get it mate, I really dont! They also did the digital remasters on vinyl but I got impression they were a bit compressed. CDs probably are as well. The Floyd stuff was done well. I have most of those DP titles but bought them before people went bloody mad on vinyl (probably just to look at the covers in one of those frames). I repeat the vinyl reissue of Relics does sound better than the original using hi-res sources from the tapes. Hi res if cut to vinyl by Grundman does not sound digital. However you can't beat an original copy of Machine Head if it is in good nick. |
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Post by dsjr on Jul 3, 2020 18:03:46 GMT
I have 'In Rock' on CD (with extra tracks) as well as original (ish) vinyl and it's (the CD) amazing for such an old rock recording - in my opinion. I'm not such a huge fan that I bought any others from this 1990's? CD mastering though, but I should I think and enjoy them again as I'd like to hear them. Re-cut vinyls don't usually come from the unsullied analogue originals, but are fresh re-filtered and compressed masters from the digital masters, which in raw state are identical to the analogue originals (there's good business in making compressed band limited 'vinyl' masters from digital originals so new records can be cut). It's the editing and added artefacts after the raw digital dub that many perhaps don't like in digital releases. The Flat Earth by Thomas Dolby is a classic. The original vinyl sounds great and the early CD issue sounds more like the vinyl as played on a top turntable (not too 'plump' in the low bass as it was when I first heard it played on a period LP12). The remastered CD I have with extra tracks etc. has had low bass pumped up and sounds a bit 'wrong' played on a big speaker but impressive on a small one as most own these days. The extra tracks on this disc haven't been eq'd this way and these sound amazing in comparison (my 12" single of 'Dissidents, the Search for Truth' is drowned in added hiss due to what I think is a faulty cut!!! - so nice to hear it properly) All personal opinion and of course Genesis was also 'remastered' first time round with older albums re-eq'd for extra bass (I heard Foxtrot and Nursery Crime and the difference was huge compared directly to original label vinyls, not necessarily better but a equalisation judgement made by the mastering engineer and band members as they hold the original tapes which the record labels don't in this case!). I also believe these albums were subsequently remixed completely for a later cash-cow but I have no experience of these.
I still just honestly don't understand why you'd pay good money for an inferior product after you realise just what happens to the music in getting it onto the plastic in the first place. Reminds me of cars in the distant past, where the prototype versions took the design to the limits, but the first production models were hobbled and downgraded in some ways to allow for 'refinements and upgrades' later, as the model went through it's life, the final versions as near to or better than the final prototypes of years before...
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Post by classicrock on Jul 3, 2020 19:23:09 GMT
I'm pretty picky with vnyl I buy. Other than new recordings, I mostly look for AAA reissues if available but they are getting very expensive and have to be rationed. I did buy the vinyl versions of the genesis remixes. They were originally done for SACD but were horribly compressed. The vinyl is minus most of the compression and sounds pretty good. It won't satisfy the likes of Andre however who want the original sound. I remember a dealer dem using the original CD of Wind and Wuthering and in those circumstances it sounded poor. I am however warming more to CD these days as I can get a far better sound with newer gear and rediscovering a Marantz Cd65 II SE which is making a nice sound now playing Mark Knopfler through the NVA 20 amp in my office. I would take affordable CD over a budget TT these days but if you throw a few grand at vinyl replay it can be sublime and have a distinct edge over good digital reproduction. It's all dependent on the recording and mastering whatever format and that is 90% of the sound.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 20:00:31 GMT
You paid HOW MUCH for these? I just don't understand as the Deep Purple albums were *very* carefully mastered for CD some years back (I think Roger Glover was involved) and as I recall, great care was taken to locate the original mixdown master tapes, thus saving a generation of analogue losses.. I think the PF albums have been gone over several times to use the best tapes and so on. I'm sorry, I just don't get it mate, I really dont! They also did the digital remasters on vinyl but I got impression they were a bit compressed. CDs probably are as well. The Floyd stuff was done well. I have most of those DP titles but bought them before people went bloody mad on vinyl (probably just to look at the covers in one of those frames). I repeat the vinyl reissue of Relics does sound better than the original using hi-res sources from the tapes. Hi res if cut to vinyl by Grundman does not sound digital. However you can't beat an original copy of Machine Head if it is in good nick. Thing is i totally & utterly swore that nothing Digital what ever part it plays, will step foot in this stereo or Record collection. 100% Analogue |
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Post by Westie on Jul 3, 2020 20:07:50 GMT
I'm pretty picky with vnyl I buy. Other than new recordings, I mostly look for AAA reissues if available but they are getting very expensive and have to be rationed. I did buy the vinyl versions of the genesis remixes. They were originally done for SACD but were horribly compressed. The vinyl is minus most of the compression and sounds pretty good. It won't satisfy the likes of Andre however who want the original sound. I remember a dealer dem using the original CD of Wind and Wuthering and in those circumstances it sounded poor. I am however warming more to CD these days as I can get a far better sound with newer gear and rediscovering a Marantz Cd65 II SE which is making a nice sound now playing Mark Knopfler through the NVA 20 amp in my office. I would take affordable CD over a budget TT these days but if you throw a few grand at vinyl replay it can be sublime and have a distinct edge over good digital reproduction. It's all dependent on the recording and mastering whatever format and that is 90% of the sound. AP20 is a really nice amp. I also found NVA in general to be very tolerant of digital. |
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Post by classicrock on Jul 3, 2020 20:37:38 GMT
I'm pretty picky with vnyl I buy. Other than new recordings, I mostly look for AAA reissues if available but they are getting very expensive and have to be rationed. I did buy the vinyl versions of the genesis remixes. They were originally done for SACD but were horribly compressed. The vinyl is minus most of the compression and sounds pretty good. It won't satisfy the likes of Andre however who want the original sound. I remember a dealer dem using the original CD of Wind and Wuthering and in those circumstances it sounded poor. I am however warming more to CD these days as I can get a far better sound with newer gear and rediscovering a Marantz Cd65 II SE which is making a nice sound now playing Mark Knopfler through the NVA 20 amp in my office. I would take affordable CD over a budget TT these days but if you throw a few grand at vinyl replay it can be sublime and have a distinct edge over good digital reproduction. It's all dependent on the recording and mastering whatever format and that is 90% of the sound. AP20 is a really nice amp. I also found NVA in general to be very tolerant of digital. It's actually the A20 mkIII with a P50 pre. I had the P50 left over from before I changed out everything last year and thought I would try the new A20 with it when on offer. Sounds much more powerful than 20 watts driving some old Celestion 3s which I think are 86db/watt. Added one of my Wharfedale subs and it sounds really big with lots of bass. |
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Post by dsjr on Jul 3, 2020 22:33:19 GMT
A20 now has an AP20 size transformer by all accounts, so should have 35WPC in bass and mids at least into 8 ohms.
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Post by engy on Jul 3, 2020 23:26:33 GMT
Fuck off .
I mean it. All of you !
Or I'll ban you for lack of respect and thread trashing.
Take this as a bollocking.
Chavs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 7:21:15 GMT
Here Here, Yeh buzz off yer Twitz
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 19:49:14 GMT
Just won a nice copy of PINK FLOYD - A NICE PAIR.. £20. You'll do for me.. Aint splashing out on mega expensive Columbia pressings of the first two albums when these editions sound great..   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:57:24 GMT
Just won a nice condition small hatter 1974 issue of GENESIS - FOXTROT.. This issue still retains the original textured sleeve.. Cool £7.99  |
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Post by engy on Jul 9, 2020 18:12:08 GMT
I don't know if 'won' is a good term.
'Payed more then anyone else' doesn't sound great though does it ?
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