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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 10:23:29 GMT
What i notice a lot is people doing the judging Pressings Sound quality. What one mans says doesnt sound good another man may say hes talking bollox. Some people may have a high resolution systems, Bright systems, Systems that don't have tone controls etc. Where as some people may have a old vintage system which no doubt will have tone controls. Just listen to music & not the stereo. Hence views are really to be taken with a pinch of salt. I have a few unofficial pressings that sound every bit as good as an original 1st issue yet someone may come along & say sound shit, Have they ever heard the 1st issue? Are they basing the remark on a remastered Digiatal re-release? or judging it against a dull sounding 1980's re-issue? Who knows. I know that i always base sound Quality on the Original Pressings. Hifi & related subject are in reality the biggest bunch of shit ever but are a very important thing to some  |
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Post by dsjr on Jul 6, 2022 12:45:58 GMT
You need a proper reference, that's all - and then you can make the right decisions... Otherwise it's one man's subjective bollocks against another man's subjective bollocks these days, the ignorance is palpable, on Youtube and on the forums around and about...
But then I would say that, wouldn't I!
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Post by Westie on Jul 6, 2022 13:31:22 GMT
Yes you would lol……but I kinda agree with you 😯
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 13:41:19 GMT
You need a proper reference, that's all - and then you can make the right decisions... Otherwise it's one man's subjective bollocks against another man's subjective bollocks these days, the ignorance is palpable, on Youtube and on the forums around and about... But then I would say that, wouldn't I! Uh! the proper reference is the 1st issue period as mentioned. |
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Post by dsjr on Jul 7, 2022 9:30:52 GMT
Not for me - sadly...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 13:07:44 GMT
I know you like the manipulated sound LOL. People buy 1st issue for a good reasons regardless of collection & they are the same people that hate Re-issues & would never been seen dead with a CD  Believe me if my numbers come up on the Lotto i would take every re-issue i have & burn them, film it & upload it to You Tube. I could list twenty important albums that would cost me around £18,000 to buy as 1st issues. Which cost me £500 as Re-issues. the latter is money down the shit house but i have no other option apart from shite Digital. |
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Post by baggs on Jul 7, 2022 13:10:59 GMT
butthole
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Post by baggs on Jul 7, 2022 13:21:32 GMT
Hey, would you get the ZOO-SAME lp (french '69 group, not Dutch) for $3 if offered? Canadian press of course (foc)  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 13:37:28 GMT
Hey, would you get the ZOO-SAME lp (french '69 group, not Dutch) for $3 if offered? Canadian press of course (foc) Wellit depends on condition. Shit condition £25, Minto £150 |
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Post by dsjr on Jul 7, 2022 16:16:57 GMT
I know you like the manipulated sound LOL. People buy 1st issue for a good reasons regardless of collection & they are the same people that hate Re-issues & would never been seen dead with a CD Believe me if my numbers come up on the Lotto i would take every re-issue i have & burn them, film it & upload it to You Tube. I could list twenty important albums that would cost me around £18,000 to buy as 1st issues. Which cost me £500 as Re-issues. the latter is money down the shit house but i have no other option apart from shite Digital. Digital isn't shite Andr'e and you know that deep down. Peeps all over have digitised their vinyls and can't tell the difference if cued up properly and compared level matched - this was donkeys years ago as well! I've compared CD's to the master recording and can't tell the difference either if the transfer was a straight one. If a CD or stream file sounds worse, then the mastering engineer or more importantly the record company execs who finance it and often call the shots, want shooting, assuming the playback system is ok.
Jazz isn't the scene for either of us I suspect, but there are some effin' STONKING CD transfers of 50's artists which 'sound' absolutely amazing. One which really stands in my mind are the Ella & Louis CD's done many years back now - wonderful 'real' sound if the speakers don't fuck it up..
I don't effin' care WHAT format the music comes on, at least now with aided and more proper hearing. The MUSIC sounds great to me - thank feck!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 16:26:39 GMT
Deep down i know full well it is shite (My view). Only thing its got going for it is its easy to use & control, archive etc.
I care where it comes from, a Record. Speakers, Headphones, High end, low end no matter what, i can hear the superiority of vinyl playback when switching back from Digital after a short absence. You will never ever change my view.
My question is why do you then play with Record players if CD is so superior? If i truly believe something was better id drop the other in the nearest canal, Old time sake or not.
If CD was better dont you think id just use all the files i have from CD's i use for convenience playback when im using the laptop? Dont you think id want to save myself the constant nightmare or fucking about with old clunkers?
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Post by Westie on Jul 7, 2022 17:36:47 GMT
I just love how my vinyl sounds. I’d never be without it. That said, I’m very happy listening to CD and I do most of the time, as long as I don’t listen to vinyl in the same session, otherwise the CD sound is less involving.
I’m making no claims to superiority technically. I just go with what my ears and brain tell me. As I enjoy both, it’s not an issue for me,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 17:49:06 GMT
Yeah no good anyone coming with technicalities. Ears are proof and i know full well what sounds better to moi.
At the endeth of the dayeth tho its not about ultimate SQ with me because thats where things go pear shaped regarding what i like to hear
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Post by classicrock on Jul 7, 2022 18:57:34 GMT
Vinyl always sounds more involving. Differences pretty obvious side by side even if the actual sound and detail are close. In practice CDs mastering rarely involves a pure transfer from a master tape. Maybe more so when they came out in the 80s. Most modern CDs involve some level of compression hence the theoretical measured superiority is never realised in practice.
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Post by baggs on Jul 7, 2022 19:46:50 GMT
Old men with knackered ears hammering out their ingrained views on sound quality.
Like Phil Ochs sung:
"And they argue through the night
Black is black and white is white
Walk away both knowing they are right"
I don't know should I cry or laugh.
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