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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 12:52:41 GMT
No sold it. It falls into that cheapo British band of decks i couldn't live with it. Im one of those people that needs vintage design with Build quality engineering not something thats strewn from a sheet of chipboard.
There isnt a perfect deck for me, i will pick fault out of anything. Been thinking about another GARRARD '401' but i remember i sold mine for one silly reason the chrome on plastic control panel, nothing else LOL. Quite a poor quality aspect for such a British Deck from the 60's.
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Post by Westie on Jan 16, 2022 13:17:35 GMT
Maybe keep an open mind and see what crops up at a good price that fits most of your needs. I always let price be my guide and never buy at market prices. It’s given me a free hobby and allowed me to try so much kit and find the stuff I like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 13:25:24 GMT
Maybe keep an open mind and see what crops up at a good price that fits most of your needs. I always let price be my guide and never buy at market prices. It’s given me a free hobby and allowed me to try so much kit and find the stuff I like. There is no rush. Ive owned literally hundreds of decks, the majority were sold not because they sounded crap it generally something about the engineering/build or potential unreliability with me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 14:27:42 GMT
CETEC SPATA 'GT12' always been my perfect turntable/arm combo for a long time but never come up in the UK there was 220V versions tho. If i had the spare cash id pay what ever anyone would want as long as the unit & arm were mint. Also loved the THORENS 'TD124' but never liked the teardrop control lever & its wavy casting around it. Other than that it would also be perfect. I would never touch another 80's Brit deck. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/sparta-russco-gt-12-profesional-26931046
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Post by dsjr on Jan 17, 2022 15:02:55 GMT
Do you still have that Rega? If so, you could always get an arm for it. I’m guessing you’d rather have something older though. Always liked Duals but I know very little about them. Having owned (still do) a good few vintage Duals, they're lovely things to own and use, but all of them (even 505's to a degree) need work now and the vintage idler models aren't hugely quiet due to motor vibration and old motor suspension blocks, surprisingly not so much the idlers themselves if they're the later type with tapered radiused tyre edge..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 15:45:27 GMT
You can pretty much eradicate issues with these old decks nowadays. I prefer Mechanical than electrical turntables. One of my great turn off with DC decks is the potential unreliability.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 17, 2022 19:23:03 GMT
Not sure you can Andr'e, unless you're prepared to throw a shedload of money at them - power supplies and so on. They're old now and some rubbery suspensions, (Dual used a triangular block on the old cylindrical motors and the early more trad motors they went over to vibrated far worse than any Garrard at first).
DC motors need new caps on the supply board mostly I gather but some can be saved. Just my opinion, but I still think a well looked after Technics SL150 (or 1300/1400/1500 with mat thickness used to counter the fixed VTA) with suitable sized arm and fully working switches and pots (the age weakness in these) eats the bloody lot of 'em if used like a Rega with careful siting and lid removed when playing! RD's PL71 was a lovely thing to play records on as well and it coped superbly with his 4g tracking SPU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 20:31:15 GMT
You'll be surprise what you can get remanufactured these days, Always people cropping up making specialist parts properly. I came across a guy tonight that tips old Conical B&O Styli with Elliptical Line Contact, Micro Ridge you name it, Expensive but its there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 13:23:15 GMT
Ive been thinking about buying another one of these. Uses the same JELCO arm im using.
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Post by Westie on Jan 19, 2022 16:44:17 GMT
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Post by Westie on Jan 19, 2022 16:47:35 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Jan 19, 2022 17:15:38 GMT
You'll be surprise what you can get remanufactured these days, Always people cropping up making specialist parts properly. I came across a guy tonight that tips old Conical B&O Styli with Elliptical Line Contact, Micro Ridge you name it, Expensive but its there. There's a German chap (Axel?) who does good vintage retips too - and a B&O MMC20CL retip, looks as if the original stock cantilever-diamond was replaced entirely with a new one which looked almost identical to the original (I think if you know where to look, you can get cantilevers with diamonds already fitted, as Rega do for their cartridges). The MMC20CL is too tame and safe sounding for us rock music freaks, but supremely cultured and smooth toned for orchestral music.
There's a Swedish chap who sells Garrard motor grommets made of silicon as well as Thorens suspension grommets which I intend to try on the TD160 (none of the sheep would get him to make the thicker but otherwise similar LP12 grommets in the same material. Some of the Garrard ones (not for the 301 or 401 as the motors are sprung) can sag or split as on my 86SB which was transformed for the better (too frail to interest any of you lot, but Garrard knew how to wisely spend the very few pennies they had available then).
All good fun if you're up for it.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 19, 2022 17:19:37 GMT
Not for me - I set up several, got them bouncing perfectly in the jig and then moved them - the suspension went to pieces and never self centred (maybe they sorted it?). The main bearings were chrome plated softer steel for a while and the slightest blemish mattered, especially on the thrust ball end of the spindle tip...
Now, if you're talking of the Heybrook TT2 in any of its versions, I'd definitely agree with you and also the AR 'Legend' version of their design.
I'm doing it again - sorry.
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Post by Westie on Jan 19, 2022 17:37:34 GMT
Not for me - I set up several, got them bouncing perfectly in the jig and then moved them - the suspension went to pieces and never self centred (maybe they sorted it?). The main bearings were chrome plated softer steel for a while and the slightest blemish mattered, especially on the thrust ball end of the spindle tip... Now, if you're talking of the Heybrook TT2 in any of its versions, I'd definitely agree with you and also the AR 'Legend' version of their design. I'm doing it again - sorry.
All,useful,info. Also none of which I knew. But then I am hopeless with suspended decks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 17:42:21 GMT
Na no more 80's decks. Im very tempted with a B&O '1203' I know people don't approve of the platter studs but that's what helps make this deck look great. Not meant for that arm but a 'SP12' cart will fit which is Elliptical tip. Not about ultimate SQ with me no more, aint been for a long time.
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